Ben Gibbard + Mark Kozelek

Last November, musicians—and old pals—Mark Kozelek and Ben Gibbard shared a very funny and very frank conversation with The Thread. And they had such a nice time catching up, they kept at it. We’re happy to share with you the unspooled continuation of their exchange.

“I totally get that jealousy virus thing. For me, the writing/recording process has always been the hard work, with touring being the reward. When I'm struggling to finish an album, I can get irrationally envious of my friends who are on their own personal victory laps. Thankfully it goes the opposite way, too.”

-Ben

“I'm very sad to say I never met Elliott Smith. Back in 1998, he and Janet Weiss came to a show we were playing at EJ's in Portland. I was way too anxious to introduce myself to either of them. I always thought I'd get another chance to meet him, but I never did.”

-Ben

“When I travel that far, I want to end up in a place that's exotic and different. That's why I've never been nuts about Australia. It’s so far to go to end up in a place where they drink beer and eat meat and potatoes, and look and act pretty much like everyone I grew up around in Ohio.”

-Mark

“While making music is pretty much the only thing above it, if the devil offered me guaranteed running health for the rest of my life in return for never making music again, I would at least consider it!”

-Ben

“I identify with boxing because of the loner aspect. If you lose, it's on you, not the guys in your corner. No matter what, the loss falls on your shoulders. And when the win is big, even though others were involved, it’s still something you feel largely responsible for, and the victory is yours.”

-Mark

Read the first conversation